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Make e-petitions fairer and more representative of public opinion (#fairpetitions)
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2019-02-05 12:20:24 UTC
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Have you ever heard of a petition being launched, and thought "I don't
think much of that idea" - but had no way of registering that fact?

Have you ever heard mention in the media that some petition you are
strongly against, has reached one of the thresholds (10,000 to get a
reply from government [usually "we are considering it"], or 100,000 for
debate in parliament), and felt rather frustrated that you couldn't do
anything about it - and also been worried that the powers that be might
take action, thinking that it reflects public opinion, even though
public opinion against the motion might be far stronger than that for?

(Have you ever thought that some individual or organisation is/are using
their public profile to drum up support for a petition?)

If any of these apply to you, please have a look at my petition:

255soft.uk

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/232770

and please also pass it on to any twitter, facebook, or any other
contacts, forums, or whatever that you are a member of.

Thanks for your time.

#fairpetitions
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2019-02-07 01:29:33 UTC
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On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 12:20:24 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Have you ever heard of a petition being launched, and thought "I don't
think much of that idea" - but had no way of registering that fact?
Have you ever heard mention in the media that some petition you are
strongly against, has reached one of the thresholds (10,000 to get a
reply from government [usually "we are considering it"], or 100,000 for
debate in parliament), and felt rather frustrated that you couldn't do
anything about it - and also been worried that the powers that be might
take action, thinking that it reflects public opinion, even though
public opinion against the motion might be far stronger than that for?
(Have you ever thought that some individual or organisation is/are using
their public profile to drum up support for a petition?)
255soft.uk
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/232770
and please also pass it on to any twitter, facebook, or any other
contacts, forums, or whatever that you are a member of.
Thanks for your time.
#fairpetitions
I'd sign it if I could. I agree with you. You often read a
petition and think how ridiculous it is, but have no way of
commenting.

An example of how petitions can be used to take people's
freedom away:

Background: Lula (who is 73 years old) has been sentenced to
over 20 years in solitary confinement. Newspaper headlines and
statements from convicted criminals were used as "proof" of
corruption. The judge that sentenced him became Bolsonaro's "Sinister
of Justice" as a reward for his "honest work".

The coupist government in Brazil is urging people to nominate
the Brazilian firefighters that dug up the bodies of all those slaves
that died when the mining company's dam burst for the Nobel Peace
Prize. And have launched a petition to that effect.
That's to prevent people from signing the petition to nominate
Lula for the Nobel Prize. The press says "you have to choose one or
the other". And most people believe it.
PS Almost half a million people have signed the petition for
Lula, but it's VERY HARD to find the exact numbers. Search engines
like Google appear to be filtering any relevant sites.

OFF TOPIC:

I noticed the Google trackers on
https://petition.parliament.uk and read this:

//Google Analytics cookies

We use Google Analytics to collect information about how you use the
service. This information helps us to improve the service.

The Google analytics cookie collects and stores information about:

unique users
informing referring sites
visitor and session counts

_ga A randomly generated reference is used to identify unique
users and inform referring sites, visitor and session counts

Expires after 2 years

Google isn't allowed to use or share our analytics data with anyone,
but you can opt out of Google Analytics cookies.

//

It's a bit naive to think that an American company has any
obligation at all to follow any "agreement" with the British
government. Their servers are in the US, and subject to US law. They
can and will use the cookies as a Unique_ID tracker. And why the TWO
year expiration, when the site promises to delete all your personal
info after 12 months ?
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